Open Hospitality Network meeting =============================== This is a space to _meet, share ideas and concerns, discuss and plan for the future_ in **real time** with other **human beings** without technical overhead of writing and reading. _Updates_ can also be shared elsewhere ([repo](https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork), [board](https://trello.com/b/snYAVXym), [chat room](https://matrix.to/#/#hospex:matrix.org)), asynchronously. _Recurring_ so that we don’t have to coordinate each time we want to discuss _something_. The minutes are saved at https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/meetings/ --- Next meeting ----------------------------------- * **when**: every other Tuesday, 7pm CET (UTC+1) * **where**: in --------> [**this room**](https://kabi.blue/join/ohn) <---------- * **what**: add your points to the agenda below, we try to (loosely) follow it --- Stats 2024-08-28: 226 members (+50), 51 hosts (+10) - 5 periods --- ### 2024.06.18 - stats: 176 members (+14), hosts 41 (+1) - 2 periods - who: Luis, Michal A little chatting. No agenda. --- ### 2024.06.04 No meeting --- ### 2024.05.21 stats: 162 members (+11), hosts 40 (+3) ([michal]: about stats, i think we should actually be checking how many people verified their email, and maybe remove those who hadn't verified - the email service should be capable of answering this question - that would be a more meaningful number) #### Agenda --- ### 2024.05.07 * who: Michal * stats: 151 members (+5), hosts 37 (+0) #### Agenda * nobody present, self-meeting, thoughts about what to do * Mariha's departure from sleepy.bike, and next steps to ensure project continuity * Mariha should pass domain name, and other sleepy.bike assets she controls to one of the remaining (somewhat active) members (Chagai or Michal) * move sleepy.bike repositories to a separate GitHub organization, so there isn't membership conflict between OHN and sleepy.bike * other members and owners in the repo should be invited to join with the same status within the new org * make OHN and sleepy.bike matrix spaces independent (update 2024-05-21: Mariha later clarified that she had only left Matrix room, so the assumption for the above was incorrect) * conflict resolution * not successful --- ### 2024.04.23 * who: * stats: 146 members (+35), hosts 37 (+7) -- in 3 intervals - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map #### Agenda * stalemate ### 2024.04.09 * who: * [michal] Time limit for PR reviews * There's currently not enough people involved in Maintainer role (0-1), and my development work is blocked. The rule of a review before merge doesn't make sense, until there's enough people involved in Maintainer role. Currently, this rule works against goals of C4, in particular > To relieve dependencies on key individuals by separating different skill sets so that there is a larger pool of competence in any required domain; > To allow the project to develop faster and more accurately, by increasing the diversity of the decision making process; * Current situation both increases dependency on a key individual, and halts the project development. * I propose to introduce 24 or 48-hour limit for PR reviews, after which admin can merge the PR, as long as tests pass and it does what it says, in other words is not evil. * Practically, the process will look as follows: I open a PR, invite Mariha to review, wait for 1 day (or 2 days), and then merge if no changes are requested. If changes are requested, I'll address them, invite another round of reviews, and repeat the cycle. * I'll start implementing this new rule after today's meeting. * [mariha] I disagree, I would agree to actively look for others who would take the role of reviewers, at some point. * removing separation between maintainers and contributors creates conditions of acumulated power in the project for developers and * who's going to fulfill that role [of maintainers] until then? I've clearly said that this change would be temporary, until those maintainers are present. Hopefully this resolves the issue. * Currently it feels like arbitrary power abuse by you, Mariha. To block progress, and push your agenda, or hold on to your power. * Actually, can you point to a decision in which I consented to introduce this rule in the first place? Hopefully in these minutes. I remember always having and expressing objections against C4 along some lines. This is clearly one of the limitations. For further discussion, please refer to the [sleepy.bike matrix channel](https://matrix.to/#/!FoMQPpfuMHUoRseBRo:matrix.org/$8e3EAL3pq3EIgIqiMTOkgE9-NV6awOxYM877Gw_yewM?via=matrix.org&via=chagai.website&via=common.ems.host). * [michal] **Decision:** In line with sociocratic decision-making, I've decided to implement the proposed changes as a temporary measure to address the current stagnation and keep the project moving forward. This decision isn't about hijacking the project but is a necessary step to ensure its progress. Let's continue our conversation with the project's needs in mind, focusing on rational and constructive dialogue. In practical terms, starting in 36 hours (i.e. 2024-04-11 9:00 CEST), I will begin merging the current PRs. Future PRs will be merged 24-48 hours after review invitations are sent out, depending on their complexity. Please inform me if you need more time for a specific review. We should also look into bringing more active maintainers on board soon. Let's revisit this approach in 2 months and whenever a new maintainer joins. * [michal] Budget for professional mediation * I want us to assign budget 100-500 USD towards mediation of the current conflict's resolution, to hire an experienced therapist/mediator to do this work with us. (Practically 200 USD sound reasonable for 2 hours session I think.) * It should be paid to a person that we both (Mariha, Michal) agree on - can't be a decision of just one of us. * only to be decided if we're both present today, or asynchronously * [mariha] I would ask the community first. It's by far preferred for me to talk with someone who I know and who cares about the project then with a stranger. ### 2024.03.26 Meeting cancelled. ### 2024.03.12 * who: **meeting cancelled due to internal conflict / stalemate situation** * stats: 111 members (+8), hosts 30 (+1) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map #### Agenda * [mariha] Hackathon - questions to answer for Jeff (for 1.04.24) * we can create our non-competitive hackathon. The next step is for any project that wants to have a hackathon dedicated to their project, to draw up a proposal - what would the goals and tools be? What Solid issues would be addressed? What technical problems would need to be solved? Who would lead/mentor? Who would judge if we decide to have judges? * [michal] nice that it can be less competitive. I still have concern about the overhead of managing it, that wasn't addressed, and generally speaking, I'm not up to managing, reviewing, judging, etc. * [michal] maybe there is opportunity to have topic of (geo)indexing that Mariha could manage? * [michal] Process * The requirement for code reviews on sleepy.bike repo makes the progress slower and more frustrating. Currently I have piling PRs depending on each other. I think it doesn't make sense to require code reviews as long as there are 1-2 authors. Can we either pause it (for me :wink: or for owners) until there are more people, or give a limited time for a review, after which merge without review is allowed? ### 2024.03.01 missing stats (1 month interval, with Solid World; mariha's pin is missing...) * stats: 103 members (+6), hosts 29 (+0) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map ### 2024.02.27 * **who**: mariha, luixv, michal #### Agenda * Solid World * mariha made a presentation * slides: https://pad.kanthaus.online/p/solid-world#/ * email notification - people will get notified when they get a message * that was the last missing feature to be functional! * WS are launching new homepage --- ### 2024.02.13 * **who**: Luis, mariha, michal #### Elsewhere - [Mariha] - Solarpunk will happen in Alte Holle, thanks to Mariha who booked it * [Luis] - WarmShowers sent a message that they're going to update the homepage * [michal] - Trustroots organizes hackathon in May near Alte Hölle #### Agenda * Trustroots * notifications * Funding - we didn't get it, but we're encouraged to reapply * [mariha] - we can apply as Majstrownia * dealing with abusive members? * [mariha] Cybertrike suggested being strict about abusive people * [mariha] experienced the opposite - being removed from organization while not abusive * [mariha] preference of "Experiences", not "Reviews" * [mariha] what to do with people who are breaking social rules? (Limiting participation?) - Solid World presentation - [mariha] --- ### 2024.02.06 - Trustroots special meeting * **who**: mariha, Chagai, mrkvon #### Agenda * Trustroots action plan? * details: https://trustroots.community * all contributors who built and run the platform for 5? years were kicked out from GH repo * it runs with a violation of GDPR for a year now * https://noyb.eu/en - NOYB enforces your right to privacy * not now, not yet * is it our choice or moral obligation? * there are over 100K members now, Callum plans to build a new social network based on nostr * Arnold offers a space for OHN in https://discuss.coding.social/ forum * governance - michal wants to give it a look * https://github.com/trustroots-community/trustrots/issues?q=is%3Aissue * letter from the contributors to the community * @pegomez:matrix.org mentioned being interested in helping with sleepy.bike at Solid Pracritioners meeting * credentials: * mrkvon is second/third contributor to Trustroots codebase (next to Michael and Nick) * mariha asked WarmShowers.bike community to move to Trustroots, we were partners! * Solid World on 27.02.24 at 5pm CET * topic: "Solid for Social Benefit - delivering shared and public resources" * mariha was asked to present sleepy.bike * I will explain how Solid solves the issues we faced in WarmShowers and Trustroots * can we offer an alternative to the community? * a new instance of Trustroots? Faircom instance (Chagai) * sleepy.bike software? - not good enough user experience to be an alternative to TR --- ### 2024.01.30 * **who**: mariha #### Agenda * stats: 97 members (+4), hosts 29 (+2) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map * our application for NGI Sargasso was NOT accepted * --- ### 2024.01.16 * **who**: mariha #### Agenda * stats: 93 members (+10), hosts 27 (+3) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map * our application for NGI Sargasso is still under review * Evaluation period ends on 18th --- ### 2024.01.02 * **who**: mariha, michal #### Agenda * stats: 83 members (+4), hosts 24 (+2) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map * limits of members on Solid Server that stores a community * michal did some tests * git repo (TODO publish) * maybe link from ohn wiki * published Community Solid Server authentication library - https://www.npmjs.com/package/css-authn * email notifications redesign * right now solid-email-notifications rely on webhooks (Solid webhook notifications) and are not supported on all Pods * https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/simple-email-notifications * Documentation of Majstrownia articles, where to put? * latex or markdown on Github? Gitbook? * [mariha] rooting for latex --- ### 2023.12.19 * **who**: mariha, michal #### Agenda * stats: 79 members (+3), 22 hosts (+0) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map ##### What has happened * We applied for NGI Sargasso! * with OpenCommons.org * as Federacja Inicjatyw Oświatowych * An app written collaboratively by michal, mariha and ChatGPT :D * For 6 months grant * registered association in Poland: Majstrownia - Solarpunk Makerspace --- ### 2023.12.05 * **who**: mariha, michal #### Agenda * stats: 76 members (+6), 22 hosts (+0) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map ##### What has happened - We hosted Community Open Hours - Michel (letopdrempels) discovered issue with sleepy.bike community chat, and Chagai fixed it, so people can actually write and react there - we got feedback about the application - https://pad.riseup.net/p/sleepy.bike-community-open-hours-keep ##### ... * Progress in grant application? - write to potential partners, PASS - write the application https://hackmd.io/n8p-v6i_SoCCU2JdvFNX9Q - establish or agree with a legal entity - [mariha] - Stowarzyszenie Zwykłe - has done a lot of research and talked with public office, accountants and folks who have done something similar - we have access to sample documents of other organization - developing Digital Commons / FOSS - Local Digital Infrastructure * Chagai proposes fairmeeting.net for our meetings * https://www.fairkom.eu/en/fairmeeting * GDPR compliant * Zoom, Skype and Teams are not * no registration * meet.jit.si needs that now * a document for shared notes (stored after the meeting?) * green hosted - [mariha] talked with Chagai & researched more - https://fairmeeting.net/sleepy-bike ? <!-- rolled over from last time --> * technical support - anyone willing to take care? FB, email, ... * server infrastructure * currently on mrkvon's private server, hidden costs * we can pay from the money we already have --- ### 2023.11.21 * **who**: mariha, michal * duration: 90 #### Agenda * stats: 70 members (+14), 22 hosts (+3) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map ##### Other places - SoFa organizes workshop (see below) - Trustroots plans Newsletter for the end of the year ##### What has happened? [R] * NGI Sargasso founding * the call / match making session and QnA * mariha asked some great questions * https://pad.riseup.net/p/L29iynONrTIECtBtDwzP * mariha plans to write email with more questions * we applied to the hab, looking for a partner * we asked Solid people * we need to have an organization * create an association * ask existing NGO to apply with them ##### Looking forward / to come [E] * a proposal for an addition to our MIT licences: that if somebody is using the libraries for profit / money generation, they contribute / give back to the original developers. * dual licencing * https://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/oem/ * MIT for all Open Source projects, pay for usage in closed source, for profit * let's ask NLnet for an advice if we get funding * SoFA free intro Deciding Together * class about consent * Friday 24 Nov 2023 ⋅ 17:00 – 18:00 CET * https://www.sociocracyforall.org/event/free-intro-deciding-together/ * https://zoom.sociocracyforall.org/mars-zoom-180463541 * Solid Practitioners * presenation about sleepy.bike * Thu, Nov 30th, 6pm CET * Community Open Call * Thu, Nov 30th, 7pm CET * post on FB * 'About' page * https://pad.kanthaus.online/sleepybikeproject * https://sleepy-bike-git-about-ohn.vercel.app/ <!-- rolled over from last time --> * technical support - anyone willing to take care? FB, email, ... * server infrastructure * currently on mrkvon's private server, hidden costs * we can pay from the money we already have * Chagai proposes fairmeeting.net for our meetings * https://www.fairkom.eu/en/fairmeeting * GDPR compliant * Zoom, Skype and Teams are not * no registration * meet.jit.si needs that now * a document for shared notes (stored after the meeting?) * green hosted ##### Notes [D] * We agree that we should have agreement about Mission, and to look closer to it. #### Checkout --- ### Initial meeting about funding application 2023-11-14 at 19 CET * **who**: mariha, michal * **where**: https://meet.jit.si/sleepy.bike #### Proposed agenda points - [info, michal] there will be meeting with funding organizers on 20.11.2023 at 16-18 CET (on Monday), let's join with questions - [exploration + decision, michal] How long to apply for? (3, 6, 9 months) - 3 or 9 months, because of summer break - [exploration + decision, michal] How much? (up to 50k, 75k, 100k EUR) - how would we use funds? => estimate - amount of people - half time job commitment - 39w * 20h/w * 40e = 31 200e - another method: our roadmap and time that it takes per item - [exploration, michal] Legal entity - who? - michal, mariha, Ola? - do we close ourselves for this time, or is there space for people to join in the meantime? what then? - Stowarzyszenie? Or different? - [mariha, or Ola] - is "Stowarzyszenie" fitting to our purpose? - [michal (maybe)] research of alternatives, maybe, outside of Poland, etc... (be aware of language!) - [exploration, michal] How do we get US/Canada partner? It should be organization. They must write the letter of support, and we need to submit plans for collaboration. They aren't allowed to benefit financially from this funding. - Solid - [michal] will prepare message to ask - NGI Sargasso partnership hub - David, Jesse, Jason - [mariha] will write to Jesse - WarmShowers - [exploration, michal] Plans to write the application - we'll need to do accounting - [] let's make sure that (at least) the relevant people join the [sleepy.bike/funding](https://matrix.to/#/#sleepy.bike-funding:matrix.org) matrix channel so we can plan asynchronously - Objective criteria of organization? --- ### 2023.11.07 * **who**: mariha, Ola, Luis, michal * duration: 90 * next meeting: Tuesday 2023.11.21 at 19 CET (18 UTC) #### Agenda * stats: 56 members (+6), 19 hosts (+3) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map ##### What has happened? [R] * Community Open Hours * https://pad.riseup.net/p/sleepy.bike-community-open-hours-keep * let's do next one in about a month * [Luis] Let's post it in Matrix, too * 30.11.2023 will be the next one at 19 CET * Luis can't attend at 28, moving to 30.11.2023 * BeWelcome General Assembly * [mariha] It was this week, they discuss the network and elect new Board of Directors * [mariha] Trustroots situation * [Luis] only 1 developer, features implementation issues * email notifications service knowledge sharing * https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/solid-email-notifications * https://forum.solidproject.org/t/feedback-wanted-future-of-solidcommunity-net/7022/9 * ... ##### Looking forward / to come [E] * NGI Sargasso open call #2 * https://ngisargasso.eu/eu-applicants/ * Closing date: 18 Dec 2023 * US partner - requirements? commitments? * Do we want to apply? * Guidelines: Partner from Canada or US must have little commitment, only expressing support, write letter of support. Institution? Or person? * 3-9 months, you can apply multiple times in period of 3 years * total of ?? EUR to apply * We express our interest: * [mariha] very interested in applying, will apply * [Ola] always better to try, Ola could apply as UX Designer * [Luis] wants to see the application, doesn't look that bureaucratic, we'll plan roadmap, think it's a good idea, doesn't look that bureaucratic, wonderful idea, in principle interested, but not sure how can help * [michal] interested * Find out about partner - michal will read the regulamin * https://ngisargasso.eu/?wpdmdl=368 * [Luis] worked with EU projects and grants, it took a lot of time to apply, consider that, it might be a lot of work * [mariha] meeting: 14.11.23 at 7pm CET * WizardAmigos presentation - do we want to re-record? publish? * https://we.tl/t-Pb7VeZgiEt - reuploaded, the link expires in a week * michal will look into that in a few days * mariha will upload the old recording --- run out of time * server infrastructure - pay from the money we already have * technical support - anyone willing to take care? FB, email, ... * Chagai proposes fairmeeting.net for our meetings * ... ##### Notes [D] * ... #### Checkout --- ### 2023.10.24 * **who**: mariha, Chagai, Luixv, michal * duration: 90 #### Agenda ##### What has happened? [R] * stats: 50 members (+11), 16 hosts (-1) - members: `curl https://community.sleepy.bike/group | sed 's/,/\n/g' | grep -c '#me'` - hosts based on the map * email notifications service * the url [R/D] https://service.notifications.sleepy.bike * https://notifications.sleepy.bike * https://id.notifications.sleepy.bike/profile/card#me * https://services.sleepy.bike/notifications * makes space for other services under one name * demo ? * michal is squating github.com/sleepy-bike and github.com/sleepybike * under OHN account * the presentation at WizardAmigos Code Camp * presentation: https://pad.kanthaus.online/solid-and-sleepy-bike * https://wizardamigos.com/ * https://wizardamigos.com/codecamp2023/ * mariha will ask Nina to send the recording and forward it to michal * [google callendar for sleepy.bike](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=NGI2MWIzODEyYzNhMjA1ZTU4YzcyMGI2ZGQ0OTU3YjE4M2QyNzJhNDk4N2JjYTAzYzk2MDQ0ZDBhOTEyMDI0MkBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t) * mariha made it! * Luis got error, now it works * mariha don't have access to WS survey any more!!! * :sob: * do we have backup? * can we get access again? * mariha will check hard drive * mariha will ask Chagai to ask Sami to give us access again ##### Looking forward / to come [E] * Social media strategy * how are we going to keep in contact with the community and the community with us? 1. a person or circle who'd be caring for that (nobody willing to do that at the moment... let's not loose connection with the community!) 2. have a rotation to answer to the questions 3. let it remain unanswered, maybe the community will take care to some extent 4. Contributors Open Hours - next week we'll try at 19 CET - demo + needs (roles/volunteers) + answer to questions - Hello! We'd like to invite you to Sleepy Bike Community Open Hours! We'll make demo of the sleepy bike and answer your questions. We'll meet on ___ at 19:00 CET (18:00 UTC). https://meet.jit.si/sleepy.bike Welcome! ~mariha ~michal 5. ... * how do we want to reach out to people so that they join sleepy.bike? * federate with TR * social media * emails from ws survey + word of mouth * ... * (a few dedicated members until next season in Northern hemisphere) * server infrastructure * we need server, where sleepy bike community pod, notifications service, and others will be hosted * currently hosted on michal's personal server 89.221.210.112 hosted on VPS from wedos.com in Czech Republic * how to finance? can be between 50-100 EUR/year for cheapest VPS offers * mariha wants to host Solar-powered server in Pracownia 101 * TODO: update wiki * ... ##### Notes [D] * ... --- ### 2023.10.10 * **who**: mariha, michal, Tor, Luixv, (Chagai) * duration: 90 minutes (check at 20:30 if we have more power) * notes: everyone? #### Agenda ##### What has happened? [R] * we moved the meeting from Mondays to Tuesdays! [report] * reevaluate in 3 meetings * change reminder * we have new rooms structure in place * post about sleepy.bike in both FB groups * the page is not recognised as known to FB - no preview * the domain was registered less then 2 years, let's see at 15th of Oct * maybe it's an unusual domain extention *.bike * people will ask questions, would be great if someone answered... * maybe it was too early to invite people in fb? * or too late? * the post got less attention than hoped for... * Luis know someone who is a specialist in Social Media * mariha started JS tutorials made by WizardAmigos * mariha reached out to weex * currently interested in nostr * connection to circlebuilder * A connection with Cybertrike - let's meet as whole sleepy.bike team! * raising awareness about Obstructive Sleep Apnea, wants to cycle around the world / for a year, starting next year * a sys admin, softwer dev, enterprener, scalability, decentralization, open source * bicycle tourer went from CTO to being homeless with undiagnosed sleep disorder, now fully recovered, back to life * https://cybertrike.org/ * https://www.gofundme.com/f/cybertrikeorg * recommended Tim Berners-Lee book "Weaving the web" ##### Looking forward / to come [E] * Social media strategy [move to next time] * how are we going to keep in contact with the community and the community with us? 1. a person or circle who'd be caring for that (nobody willing to do that at the moment... let's not loose connection with the community!) 2. have a rotation to answer to the questions 3. let it remain unanswered, maybe the community will take care to some extent 4. Contributors Open Hours 5. ... * how do we want to reach out to people so that they join sleepy.bike? * federate with TR * social media * emails from ws survey + word of mouth * ... * (a few dedicated members until next season in Northern hemisphare) * DirtyRoad needs members! * federation * the moods: TR, BW, couchers,... * technical format * https://forgefriends.org/ F3 format, inspire what does it take to design and implement a protocol based on AP * social media * newsletters * co-draft a message to WS survey - not urgent though * both DirtyRoad.org and sleepy.bike are open to federate with each other via ActivityPub --- * Any books to recommend? (after meeting chat :smile:) * Many voices one song (book about Sociocracy) [mariha, michal] * Stanislaw Lem: Solaris [Luis] * Tiziano Terzani: Letters Against the War [mariha] * Frank Herbert: Dune [Tor] --- ##### Notes [D] * stats: 17 hosts (+6), 39 members (+11) * Contributors Open Hours * we're trying sociocracy format! * TR may try sociocracy too! ###### Actions/Outcomes * Google callendar to subscribe to [mk] * Move reminder to sleepy.bike contributors room [chagai] * Add link to the meeting pad to the room description of OHN * sleepy.bike page needs to be updated with matrix space * next week sleepy.bike presentation at WizardAmigos * inform pple when would it be - sleepy.bike community * meeting with Cybertrike * time: 7 or 7:30pm next tue * reevaluate Mon->Tue in 3 meetings, at the beginning of Nov --- ### 2023.09.25 * **who**: michal, mariha, Chagai #### Agenda ##### What has happened? * mastodon account at https://floss.social/@sleepybike * instead of https://fosstodon.org/@sleepybike, floss.social has more explicit profile for FLOSS people/projects * dot is not allowed in account name - so we can't have @sleepy.bike * access have: mariha, * are we suspended/banned? * verified as true sleepy.bike account * description - any modifications? * FB account https://www.facebook.com/SleepyBikeFanpage * sleepy.bike domain renewal * OC needs more admins! * OC - fee for hosting / provision * fee grows from 5 to 8 or 10 % * considering move to Open Source Open Collective * (+) support of OS community & additional features for Open Source * (-) fiscal host in USD * A friend made an account and had issues with solidweb account * easy feedback would be great!!! * join / sign in -> join the community / sign in * Demo of email notifications * data breach sensitive - needs fixes * cool to have notifications!!! :) * Review of linter * https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/sleepy.bike/pull/58 * Running linter & prettier in github workflows * mariha will have a look to the rules and how they can be changed or not * can someone approve? :) ##### Looking forward / to come * do we want to separate matrix rooms for OHN and sleepy.bike? * nomero6 from https://matrix.to/#/#decentralised-social-networks:codelutin.com was asking * further rooms specialization into narrow subjects / different audiences? ##### Notes * stats: 27 joined (+10), 11 hosts (+1) * Discussed Sociocracy as potential organization model for sleepy.bike * going to read Many Voices One Song * considering joining Sociocracy training * https://www.sociocracyforall.org/solt/, Jan 25 starts new cohort * chatting about our experience with Sociocracy * michal joined Sociocracy workshop last 2 weekends * mariha has experience with Sociocracy training with XR (Extinction Rebellion) * but we want to know more * OHN rooms * OHN Space - maybe Chagai can host? [Chagai] * OHN room as now -> Open Hospitality Network general * ohn+solid -> sleepy.bike team (done) * ohn announcements -> sleepy.bike announcements -> sleepy.bike community * dev room with GH updates -> sleepy.bike log Next steps: - create space [Chagai] - rename & add rooms [michal if able] - write announcement about room changes & new space to every room [mariha or michal] - GH updates to the log room [mariha] - update links - at sleepy.bike [whoever makes PR first] - warmshowers.bike [mariha] - mastodon [mariha] - facebook [mariha] --- ### 2023.09.11 * **who**: mariha, Michel, michal, ... #### Agenda ##### What has happened? * description of options to choose from in Solid Pod / _How much control do you want to have?_ * SolPunk * mariha and mrkvon participated * we did a presentation of the project * we discussed founding, C4, potential project collaborators, ? * David may join sleepy.bike, interested in mutual-aid apps and building local infrastructure for the/a community * connection with WizardAmigos, very much into P2P and datdot * [warmShowers.bike](https://warmShowers.bike) website is updated with an info about sleepy.bike * any feedback? * the text could be bigger, as big as Goodbye WarmShowers * TEXT: Welcome to sleepy.bike. It is now open for registrations! * maybe the whole text could be a link * Tom Haegemans offered us help / support * [use.id](https://use.id) / [digita.ai](https://digita.ai) * [lemmy about sleepy.bike](https://lemmy.world/post/3215629) (info from the community ;)) * (lemmy is a federated alternative to reddit) * it's on the first page of [bicycles@lemmy.ca](https://lemmy.world/c/bicycles@lemmy.ca) and [bicycle_touring@lemmy.world](https://lemmy.world/c/bicycle_touring) pages/communities for a month now! * crossposted to [bikepacking@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.world/post/3192250) [bikepacking](https://lemmy.world/post/3192210) [bicycle_touring](https://lemmy.world/post/3191982), pls upvote! * links to https://pad.kanthaus.online/sleepybikeproject?view# for more information * TODO: MK - answer to Michel who posted it and wrote me about it * why I can't follow it from my masto account? * [reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/bicycletouring/comments/15snpx4/sleepybike_is_now_accepting_registrations/) * no understanding of Solid Pods * we need to make better job at explaining _what_ is Solid and _why_ we chose it, * complains about the project taking THAT loooong, people left WS as requested, and there was nothing new for 3 years ##### To come * Make people aware that sleepy.bike exists - other channals of communication: FB group, list of emails from the WS survey, mastodon, ohn website ;), pps who registered with earlier version of sleepy.bike * stats how many members / hosts there are * 17 members, 10 hosts * we need to make better job at explaining _what_ is Solid and _why_ we chose it, * what benefits it brings, with added complexity? * How it prevents similar situation that happend to WS to happen again? * _"Sign up and be part of the future of the internet!"_ * Quote from the [Tim Berners-Lee letter "One Small Step for the Web…"](https://www.inrupt.com/blog/one-small-step-for-the-web) on Oct 22, 2018 > _Solid changes the current model where users have to hand over personal data to digital giants in exchange for perceived value. As we’ve all discovered, this hasn’t been in our best interests. Solid is how we evolve the web in order to restore balance - by giving every one of us complete control over data, personal or not, in a revolutionary way._ * recommended setup? * own your WebId + replicate data between two Pod providers (primary and a backup), possibly one self-hosted on your own computer * discussion: Why we chose Solid? What we find essential in Solid? 1. You can own your identity on the web 2. There is no monopoly of identity providers 3. There is a standard data format for hospitality exchange apps that many applications can share / understand (4. some of the vocabulary / ontologies how the data is written can be understandable by wider semantic web) 5. Users own their data and can: - revoke access to it if they don't want to share it any more - keep them whoever administers/moderates the community --- ### 2023.08.28 - no meeting / SolPunk --- ### 2023.08.14 * **who**: mariha, luixv, Michal (not mrkvon) #### Agenda * 18-25 SolarPunk gathering in south Sweden, mariha and michal will be there * is there a meeting in 2 weeks? probably not, we can move it to 3 weeks from now + normal schedule of 4 weeks from now * Instructions how to join are added, we can invite everyone to join!!! * any feedback? * it was easy to create an account but didn't know what they are doing * the real name it was not clear what will it be used for, it showed in sleepy.bike for the moment after being logged in and had to update that in the Pod directly to get rid of that * co-write a messege for FB, mastodon, ... * who are the members of the community? * bicycle touring travellers / people who do overnight bike trips * those who want to host them * those who want to support the community of the above * new branch protection rules and teams/roles to reflect C4 * concerns about * Tanja started to draft some info about the project for humans https://pad.kanthaus.online/sleepybikeproject * Bluesky's community has good overview of decentralised social ecosystem * https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosystem/-/blob/master/README.md * old ohn-solid repo stargizers are informed about the new repo * except weex and joeitu (who didn't have any contact handlers) * move away from Kanthaus (this pad) - any other community that would be happy to host us? * notifications in matrix room about issues being opened and PRs being closed. * sleepy.bike@proton.me as a bridge for email forwarding - could be accessed by smtp only, maybe that's fine? (after upgrade) * shared storage space, passward manager, ... * mariha removed suman as a co-admin from nameCheap, now access has mariha and michal * luixv is asking if we can sent an info about DirtyRoad to people from WS survey --- ### 2023.07.24 (?) / 31 * **who**: Michal, Mariha, Tanja, #### Agenda * it is now possible to register at https://sleepy.bike without need to re-register again (yey!) * [R] many bug fixes * [E/D] can we make it public? * what else do we need? * front page - we made a simple one! * add "More information will be added here soon, make yourself welcome!" * how to sign up? * people need to choose spolid pod * explain them what it is * make a default choice for them - we'll do it * (long term) self-host default pod for sleepy.bike community * where to update / announce it? - wait * WarmShowers.bike * https://gitter.im/we-love-bicycles/community * [FB group](https://www.facebook.com/groups/243374777243989) name, description, post * rename? sleepy.bike - Open Aleternative to WarmShowers - NO * inform them about * sleepy.bike - for hosting requests * FB page for updates * matrix for collaboration * otherwise shut down * FB group for hosting (Mariha wants to shut down) * new FB page for sleepy.bike - Tanja will take care * Fediverse (OHN) * make one for sleepy.bke @ fosstodon.org - Tanja will cross post to both * Trustroots newsletter - maybe blog post or/and FB page * [E] what about people who registered with earlier version? * can we move / inform them to re-register? - solid.openHospitality.network * mariha will write to those who published their contact information * a few people joined matrix room: Ray, Eric, and others * ask if people want to change time * [E] what to do with groups / communities like https://racmx.org/ or Indonesian Federal Cycling Group? * https://t.me/c/1505803792/2922 * translations in Solid - description of main page in Spanish * or separate community * personas / user stories / (to be executable) specification * https://ngisargasso.eu/eu-applicants/ founding * 3 years program * 3, 6, and 9 month projects, 150K euro per project in all of them * trans-atlantic collaboration team * founding only for EU people, US collaborators have to sign Letter of Support only, no other obligations(?) * mariha wrote to some Cleversafe/IBM Cloud coleuges/friends from Chicago * Removing references to WTMG * FB: group description - points to TR * FB: post with a list of hospitality exchange platforms/communities - updated * WarmShowers.bike * the old WS app? * https://investinopen.org/blog/open-infrastructure-fund-pilot-cfp/ --- ### 2023.07.17 * **who**: mariha, ~~Tanja~~, Chagai, Luis, michal, Tor #### What has happened? * First sleepy.bike encounter between mariha and Ida and Tilman from https://justtwowheels.de * Tilman is very interested in joining (from Nov), knows well html, css * they have a friend who might do a nice UI * michal may be on the way of JustTwoWheels in a week or so, would be great to meet! * an article about WS, we are mentioned. Bill asks for feedback (FB) * https://bill-watts.blogspot.com/2023/07/warm-showers-is-not-what-it-seems.html * https://bill-watts.blogspot.com/2023/07/why-does-warmshowers-charge-membership.html * (when Tanja is here) started a fb page for sleepy.bike. Another for OHN might be good too. Idea: to crosspost on mastodon. * WelcomeToMyGarden.org is now paied too (0€ for hosts, 36€/y for travelers) * https://welcometomygarden.org/about-membership * mariha will go and update places where she pointed WS people to go there #### Looking forward / to come * User stories that Tilman and Ida wrote - not digitalized atm * michal can help digitizing the document * (Tanja) talking about reason to start Sleepy.bike and OHN so that an intro can be written on the website etc. * http://www.facebook.com/sleepybikehospex/ * https://ngisargasso.eu/eu-applicants/ possible founding, deadline to apply is 31 Jul. * there will be other rounds, the program lasts for 3 years * trans-atlantic collaboration team * 3, 6, and 9 month projects, 150K euro per project in all of them --- ### 2023.06.19 * **who**: mariha, (Chagai) #### What has happened? * ??? --- ### 2023.06.05 * **who**: mariha, michal, Chagai #### What has happened? * MIT Licence for new-sleepy-bike is agreed on(\*) and merged * for reusable libraries that are planned to be extracted from the code we prefer a permissive license * for client apps we may choose to have a copyleft license at later time * Anna Maria was introduced to the project (by mariha) * has a spare room at her flat that she wants to make available for artists/hackers, [CHRO-base](https://sanma.cargo.site/CHRO-base) * interested in hackbases - hackerspaces that can also be used as (temporary) living spaces * artvism - intersection of art and activism, would like to build a platform that connects artists, academics and tech people * backgrounds in UI/UX, graduated from Fine Arts * looking forward to alternatives to capitalist economy, contibuting to creating more sustainable world / opposing climate change * [Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities](http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/) * change of the room: https://meet.jit.si/sleepy.bike ### 2023.05.22 * **who**: michal #### What has happened? * luixv from https://DirtyRoad.org contacted mariha, we met, and expressed mutual interest in the projects * DirtyRoad.org listed in the ohn webpage * some other hospitality networks shared * https://www.bunkabiker.org/strikelist.html - interesting approach > Do NOT seek to harass people from this list lest your own name end up on it. Nice phrase: > Conclusion: Banned from network for abusing the community. But it also seems very harsh.. maybe if they state the rules upfront that's ok, though * https://xenia.travel - looks like they put quite a lot of thoughts and analysis into the approaches they've chosen * [safety](https://xenia.travel/info/safety.php) * [community guidelines](https://xenia.travel/legal/guidelines.php) ### 2023.05.09 * **who**: Mariha, michal * we had a few shared coding sessions ### 2023.04.24 * **who**: mariha, michal #### agenda * we've met on Friday, 14.04.23 to discuss the bigger picture - Michal, Mariha and Chagai > What would you like to focus on? > I can think of: > - planning next steps > - how to make people know about what we do, make them interested, build and nurture a community (sleepy bike or other) > - connections to existing hospitality exchange networks > - looking at sleepy bike, UX, design, feedback > - coding sleepy bike > - other tech & protocols of OHN > ... > i may have omitted something important * how the protocol / common-data-format might look like? do we want to combine Solid with ActivityPub? ``` { location: {lat, lon}, communities[]{ {name: "sleepy.bike", reference: "link-to-community-specific-data", }, {name: "trustroots", reference: "link-to-tr-specific-profile-data" } } } ``` ----------------------------------- ### 2023.04.10 * **who**: mariha, Chagai, Tanja, michal, Tor #### agenda * SolPunk '23 * 18-25.08.23 in Raset, south of Sweden * [Mariha]: intro about Solarpunk & Secure Scuttlebutt * where we'd like the project to go? * what are people's plans for the project? time / skills * maybe: map resources / assets / spaces we have * who is and who would like to take care of them? * * * we'll meet this week to progress with the application * between Wednesday and Friday afternoon ------------------------------ ### 2023.03.27 * **who**: Mariha, michal, Chagai #### what has happened? - New initiative for ActivityPub projects, OHN mentioned in discussion - meeting on Wednesday - [toot about new funding for Open Source Infrastructure in the public interest](https://mastodon.social/@krakenbuerger/110072853947076447) projects - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2023Mar/0158.html - possibly going to change: - When: - Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 10-11am pacific daylight savings time. - 19 CEST - Where: - Sean’s Jitsi https://meet.privacysafe.io/ - Room “ActivityPub” - Lars is writing a text about hospitality exchange in context of alternative economies - Mariha, Lars and Tor met last week. will meet again (Wednesday(s)) - - We move meetings to 18 UTC === 20 CEST === 19 CET - hackaton idea in Bern - Chagai ----------------------------------- ### 2023.03.13 * **who**: mariha, michal, Tor #### what has happened? - https://new.sleepy.bike - [discussion on Fediverse about OHN](https://sunbeam.city/@abekonge/109914482263077032) - started from resource sharing / mutual aid software - [NLNet news](https://social.network.europa.eu/@EC_NGI/109994510552552919): @NGIZero will receive 0.5M€ for expanding open source NGI funds access and usage to the Central/East European countries thanks to EC's Widening initiative. @Brno university of Technology will be responsible. - Tor made some analysis of WS survay - mariha meets with Lars next Wed, 22.03.23 - do wa have any tasks for people who are not devs that could be done / taken care of ? - someone could host the meetings - contributors and users community building - Discussion about vision of community collaborative spaces in Zalesie and wider ----------------------------------- ### 2023.02.27 - **who**: Tanja, Chagai, John, michal * debugging Trustroots and chatting ----------------------------------- ### 2023.02.13 * **who**: Chagai, Mariha, Michal * discussion about Solid and vocabularies, do we want to have a layer of abstraction specific to hospex? * Michal started to implement wireframes under https://new.sleepy.bike * Maybe Tanja may want to join? ### 2023.01.30 no meeting #### what has happened * mariha and Lars has met to formulate a question and exchange some thoughts about hospex / economy * notes: https://pad.kanthaus.online/ohn-economies * Question we'd like to answer: * *How to locate Hospex on the economic landscape?* * next time: talk more about gift exchange / sharing economy * raw answers to post-WS survey can be found here: * https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/openHospitality.network/tree/main/ws-servey --- ### 2023.01.16 #### what has happened * michal made a draft of wireframes for sleepy.bike app * https://www.figma.com/proto/Ke1XF3qG2auBchUWqWsRlE * mariha met with Lars, a friend who has phd in economics and specializes in barters economy * we'd like to frame hospex as part of alternative economies movement * todo: synthetize survay ? * formulate a question and answer for FAQ, so far there is: * https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/openHospitality.network/wiki/FAQ#i-have-a-quick-question-regarding-where-to-go-for-housing-aka-how-does-ohn-fits-in-different-economy-models * recommanded books: * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years * https://imusic.co/books/9780393092240/er-service-1975-origins-of-the-state-and-civilization-process-of-cultural-evolution-paperback-book * --- ### 2023.01.02 no meting Older notes ----------------------------------- We save them [here, in trello](https://trello.com/c/ZpKwjtXV). 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